Episode 226 – Lauren Fleshman & Roison McGettingan – Believe I Am!

The RunRunLive Podcast Episode 226 –Laura Fleshman & Roison McGettingan – Believe I Am!

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Show intro by:

Honest Jim

RunRunLive – Podcast Intro



Hello and welcome to the sick as hell podcast where I do valiant battle with some evil virus.  Yeah – I had pretty much decided not to record this week because I thought I might expire from this sickness I have – but we’re going to compromise and bring you an episode anyhow – because this is the RunRunLive Podcast and I am Chris your undead host.

I swear when I got to my hotel Monday in Atlanta this week I was sick as hell.  I had been feeling like I had allergies for a couple days, which I usually get this time of year, bit of a fever and a headache.  It usually passes after a couple days and I took some Claritan.

Then Monday night when I get to the hotel I start to have the cold sweats.  I was lying in bed shivering and sweating all night.  I thought for sure when I woke up I would be wandering the halls all slack jawed and looking to feast on the brains of the other guests.  Tuesday morning it took everything I had to get into work and the rest of the management team wasn’t real glad to see me.

I managed to get a full 8+ hours of sleep the last couple of nights and that seems to have turned the corner.  The biggest issue is that it seriously impinged my capacity to get work done.

It’s weird because I can’t remember the last time I got really sick.  Before I started running every day I used to get sick twice a year like clockwork.  Once in the Fall and once in the Spring.  But, can you remember me ever being sick in the 4-years that you and I have been doing this?

Even with all my travel and weird schedules and bad nutrition, as long as I was getting 4-5 1-hour runs in a week I would not get sick.  I have nothing but personal experience to call on, but I think consistent daily running keeps me from getting sick.  I think it’s partly because your immune system is stronger.  I also have a theory that raising your core temperature for a prolonged period every day creates a hostile environment for viruses.

We have a interview today with two professional runners. Lauren Fleshmen who is has been a high level athlete in college and on several USA world teams.  She’s a 5k and cross country specialist having won the NCAA’s a few times and an Olypic hopeful and you may have seen her on the cover of Runner’s world in November 2011. And Roison McGettigan who is a Irish Olympian having competed in the 3k in Beijing.

These two amazing athletes have teamed up to try to encourage other female athletes to understand and use the mind body connection with a project they call Believe I Am.

Buddy and I got runs in Friday, Saturday and Sunday last week before I became patient zero.  I’ve actually got a lot to share with you about my barefoot experience but today’s show will be light on commentary because, well, I’m playing the sick card.

On with the show!

Audio clips in this episode:

Sample from “Dr. Peter Larson – So You_re A Heel” – Trail Runner Nation Podcast


RunRunLive » Audio Products » MidPackersLament » The Mid-Packer’s Lament Audio Book


It took me a few months…but I kept at it and now can present to you The Mid-Packer’s Lament Audio book.  This is ~50 running stories read into audio by the author (me) and ends up being 6-8 hours of audio.

The Mid-Packer’s Lament is a series of short stories on long distance running, racing and the human comedy inherent in all sports enthusiasts.  This is the perfect book for runners and wannabe runners.  There are stories about training, eating, special places and special races.  There are stories about the accidental athlete in all of us and the stupid things we do for even amateur endeavors.  Whether you are a weekend mid-pack runner or a competitive club runner, you’ll find something thought provoking and amusing that you can relate to in the Mid-Packer’s Lament.

Hope you enjoy consuming it as much as I enjoyed recording it!

Ciao, thanks, and I’ll see you out there.



Skits, commercials and parodies in this episode:

Story time:

Equipment Check:

New Shoes – NB MT20 – http://www.runrunlive.com/new-balance-mt20-minimus

Featured Interview:

Lauren Fleshman and Roison McGettigan – Believe I Am!


So How Does Believe I Am Work?

In order to accomplish a goal, you have to learn to keep your focus where you need it most: on positive, empowering things. Visual cues help direct your focus and create positive beliefs about yourself. Many people (maybe you) think that belief in yourself is something you are born with. That is not true. Belief is not a given. Belief is practiced. Belief isearned.

Your mind is like a garden with limited space. It is full of beliefs about yourself in the shape of both flowers (positive) and weeds (negative) competing for water and light and space. If you just leave it to nature, weeds can take over. That garden is the mind that you go out into the world with, set your goals with, and use to either give up or persevere. What does your garden need to look like to achieve your goals?

What is Believe I Am?

Believe I Am is a collection of transformative designs and apparel that utilize sports psychology techniques used by pro athletes to help aspirational women succeed in life and in sport by developing positive beliefs about themselves. Everything we make is designed around the use of “visual cues,” eye-catching statements used by pro athletes all over the world to maximize performance and enjoyment by keeping them in a particular, desired state of mind. When you use visual cues, they help you form positive beliefs about yourself, and positive self beliefs make you brave enough to set goals, dedicated enough to put the work in, focused enough to make good life choices that support your goals, and confident enough to give your all without fear of failure.

These techniques are particularly powerful when combined with apparel. Clothing has enormous power over how we feel and act. Put a kid in a superhero costume and he starts running around like Superman. Wear sweats and you feel lazy, but once you put on your little black dress, you transform into someone who is ready for a night out! Putting visual cues on clothing has enormous power, but we didn’t want to put “I Am Awesome” on our chests in big bold type because that’s not our style. The message is for the wearer, not the outside world, so our visual cues are words transformed artistically into beautiful, fun, cryptic designs by women who really use them. At first glance, each design appears to be a flower or shape to an outsider, but when you look closely it contains a word or statement. You see the word, you wear the word, you feel the word, and over time you become the word.

Is it Legit? How Did it Start?

USA Champion Lauren Fleshman and Irish Olympian Ro McGettigan (that’s us!) became friends in 2003 when we were Rookies on the international Pro Track and Field Circuit. Lauren loved Ro’s spirit (and her Irish accent) and Ro thought Lauren was a fireball of energy. Our special connection had no competitiveness, but rather a desire to simply be buds and help one another improve. Every summer during track racing season, we would meet up at exotic and not so exotic places around the globe and share our tricks, secrets and struggles. We basically watched one another screw up and grow up. 🙂


Quick Tip:

Quick tip – VivoBarefoot Dress Shoes – http://www.runrunlive.com/my-new-vivobarefoot-ra-dress-shoes

That’s it you have tossed and turned, moaning and suffering, clutching a sweat-soaked pillow, through the end of yet another RunRunLive Podcast – episode 226 in the can.

Next week I got my new friend Zach the barefoot scientist on the phone.  Remember I was telling you about how Zach showed up for one of our club runs in April and I was impressed with his knowledge of running mechanics – so  gave him a call and got him on the show to talk about it.

My training, on the one hand has been pretty light in terms of intensity and volume, but on the other hand I’m learning some new things, having fun and getting a well deserved rest.

I know I always preach, well preach may be the wrong word, I always try to counsel that you shouldn’t train for training sake and you shouldn’t get so wrapped up in your training and racing that you can no longer disentangle your-self worth from the training.

I see this with people who lose their jobs.  They have invested so much of their self worth that the loss of the job is a loss of self.  In the same way I had somehow subconsciously equated in my head that my self-worth was tied to being able to run a qualifying road marathon.

Just like the person who loses their job you have to be able to separate your self-worth from the job.  You are who you are, not what you do.  The starting point, if not to happiness at least to satisfaction with self is to be comfortable with who you are, what value you intrinsically bring and to realize that that is not tied to anything physical.

Like the oft-quoted Victor Frankel described, they took everything from him in the concentration camps but they could not take his self.  (Footnote: “Man’s search for meaning’ by Victor Frankel)

It is a really good personal exercise to chart out who you are and how you bring value to the world.  Then any time you start to lose your self confidence or become overwhelmed you can fall back on it.  You can say, ‘yeah, this may be a tricky bit but I know who I am, I know what I’m capable of, these people will know soon enough!”

What you realize, is that you can lose your job, your vacation home, your car, all of that stuff and you will still be the same person because that stuff does not determine the value of your self.  You determine the value of your self.  And even when your broke and naked with a sore plantar, your self is still the same.  The YOU in you cannot be diminished.

Can you do that?  Do you know that? Once you realize that no one has the power to take anything from you, then you have all the power and self confidence to do what you want, to make a difference in this world.

And as you’re chewing on that like a piece of gristle, I’ll see you out there.

Music to take you out is autumn_stone-miracles…

Great news my running friends – my book of running stories “The Mid-Packer’s Lament” is now available in Kindle format at the Kindle store on Amazon.com!  Just search on “Mid-Pack”.  It’s a bargain at an easy $5 and all proceeds go towards supporting the underfunded pension plan of the retired cleaning staff at the RunRunLive world headquarters. I recently got a kindle myself and I love it.  It does reading very well.

The Mid-Packer’s Lament is a series of short stories on long distance running, racing and the human comedy inherent in all sports enthusiasts.  This is the perfect book for runners and wannabe runners.  There are stories about training, eating, special places and special races.  There are stories about the accidental athlete in all of us and the stupid things we do for even amateur endeavors.  Whether you are a weekend mid-pack runner or a competitive club runner, you’ll find something thought provoking and amusing that you can relate to in the Mid-Packer’s Lament.


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Mid-Packer’s Lament E-book

Mid-Packer’s Guide to the Galaxy E-Book

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Chris Russelllives and trains in suburban Massachusetts with his family and Border collie Buddy.  Chris is the author of “The Mid-Packer’s Lament”, and “The Mid-Packer’s Guide to the Galaxy”, short stories on running, racing, and the human comedy of the mid-pack.  Chris writes the Runnerati Blog at www.runnerati.com.  Chris’ Podcast, RunRunLive is available on iTunes and at www.runrunlive.com. Chris also writes for CoolRunning.com (Active.com) and is a member of the Squannacook River Runners and the Goon Squad.

Email me at cyktrussell at Gmail dot com

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